An environmental group released videos on Monday of Pebble mine executives privately discussing their pull with Republican Gov. Mike Dunleavy and other Alaska political leaders and the huge potential for expansion at the controversial Southwest Alaska copper and gold prospect.
The group hired people to pose as potential investors interested in the mine’s long-term prospects during video calls with the Pebble officials in August and September 2020, according to a written statement from the group.
The videos capture Pebble Limited CEO Tom Collier and Ron Thiessen, president of Pebble parent company Northern Dynasty Minerals, discussing various political and contentious topics:
• The executives describe their access to Dunleavy’s office and their strategies for reaching White House officials through the governor.
• They suggest Alaska’s U.S. senators are merely making political points when they express reservations about the project.
• They say the mine’s deposit could live on for two centuries, well beyond the 20 years the developer is currently pursuing as it seeks a permit from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
The mine would be built near headwaters of the Bristol Bay salmon fishery, about 200 miles southwest of Anchorage. Critics fear it will destroy the fishery.
Pebble hadn’t had a chance to review the videos, according to a statement from Mike Heatwole, a spokesman for Pebble, on Monday. But Heatwole said the discussions about the project’s life are consistent with Pebble’s position that it has no plans for development beyond the 20-year plan.
“If at some time in the future, there is an interest in pursuing subsequent phases of development at Pebble, the proponents at that time will have to undergo a comprehensive, multi-year federal and state permitting process – likely under the National Environmental Policy Act,” the statement from Heatwole said.
Pebble has not heard of the group that secretly recorded the conversations, Heatwole said.
“I do think that anytime an interviewer from a made-up ‘investigative agency’ misrepresents who they are when they schedule an interview, then secretly tapes the interview without the knowledge of their subject, and then goes on to obscure their identity after the interview is broadcast, you have to know there are some pretty questionable ethics at play,” he said.
“We don’t know who has paid them or who they work for. We certainly intend to find out though, and to determine if any laws were broken by this despicable and abusive tactic,” the statement from Heatwole said.
Collier and Thiessen could not immediately be reached for comment on Monday.
Alexander von Bismarck, executive director of the Environmental Investigation Agency, said it has been conducting investigations into environmental issues for 30 years. He said no laws were broken.
In the video, Collier said he counts Dunleavy as a friend.
“I did, in my home, the largest private fundraiser for the governor when he was running for office, and it’s not unusual for the governor to call me," Collier said.
Thiessen discusses the strategy Pebble uses to reach White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to talk about the project. Rather than Collier reaching the White House, it’s better for Collier to talk with Dunleavy, who can make that call to the chief of staff, Thiessen said.
“I mean, we can talk to the chief of staff of the White House any time we want,” Thiessen said in the recording. “You want to be careful with all this because it’s all recorded. Every telephone call that the chief of staff to the White House has to be recorded. It’s not that they tape the call, it’s just that it’s recorded that, ‘He had a call with Tom Collier, the CEO of Pebble Limited Partnership.' You don’t want to be seen to be trying to exercise undue influence.”
Dunleavy’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Monday.
It’s not the first time Pebble’s connection with Dunleavy has been called into question.
Documents uncovered by CNN in December indicate the governor used ghostwritten language provided by Pebble in letters to the Corps and to potential investors in the mine. The letter to the Corps asked the agency to not extend a public comment period on the project.
The governor has not announced a position for or against the mine, though critics have argued his actions show that he supports it.
The tapes also show that Pebble believes that Republican Alaska Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan were being political when they said in August that the Corps can’t permit the mine.
The two senators were wrong to say, based on a news story, that the Trump administration would delay the project, Collier said.
They’re now embarrassed and are “frozen,” Collier said. “So right now they’re just kind of sitting over in a corner and being quiet,” he said.
Murkowski “says things that don’t sound supportive of Pebble – but when it comes time to vote, when it comes time to do something, she never does anything to hurt Pebble, OK?” Collier said.
Murkowski in a statement Monday said Pebble has not met the requirements for a permit.
“Let me be clear: I did not misunderstand the Army Corps' recent announcement," she said in response to the videos. "I am not ‘embarrassed’ by my statement on it and I will not be ‘quiet in the corner.’ I am dead set on a high bar for large-scale resource development in the Bristol Bay watershed. The reality of this situation is the Pebble project has not met that bar and a permit cannot be issued to it.”
Collier said in the tapes that Sen. Dan Sullivan, up for reelection on Nov. 3, has gone quiet on Pebble and is hoping to “ride out the election."
“Senator Sullivan stands by that clear statement — any suggestion otherwise by Tom Collier or anyone else is either wishful thinking, a blatant mischaracterization, or an irresponsible ploy to secure funding,” his office said in a prepared statement.
The senator’s office clarified what it called another “piece of misinformation” Collier said in the recordings that John Shively, chairman of Pebble’s board of directors, rents an apartment from Sullivan’s state director.
“John Shively does rent an apartment from Renee Reeve, however, he began renting that apartment well before Renee ever joined the senator’s staff,” Sullivan’s office said.
Also in the recordings, Collier, a former chief of staff to Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt under former Democratic President Bill Clinton, said he was one of a number of organizers who raised money this summer in the successful effort to defeat incumbent Republican state legislators who put together majority organizations with Democrats in Juneau.
The change is favorable toward Pebble, he said.
“So I organized, I was one of a number of organizers of a business group, we got together, raised money, we put together a campaign and we defeated them all," Collier said in one of the recordings. "It’s gonna make for dramatic change in the Legislature here in Alaska and I was a leader in that effort for the Republican party, so my Democratic politics is really not a problem.”
Von Bismarck, with the environmental investigation group, said some of the recorded statements call into question testimony Collier made in 2019 to a House subcommittee on water resources and the environment.
The recordings also show that after 20 years, Pebble thinks daily production of precious metals could sharply increase, von Bismarck said.
Northern Dynasty and Pebble are seeking investors for the controversial project, after major mining companies have backed out over the years, amid strong opposition to the mine by conservation groups and Bristol Bay fishermen.
Thiessen said in one of the recordings that once the mine is in production, there would be no reason to halt its expansion. The deposit could last at least 180 years, he said.
“Once you have something like this in production why would you want to stop?” he said.
Pebble opponents quickly condemned Collier and Thiessen’s statements in the recordings.
The United Tribes of Bristol Bay, representing 15 tribes that oppose the project, said it was “shocked” at the comments made.
They indicate government officials are playing politics with the projects, the group said.
"There must be a full investigation into this corrupt permitting process immediately,” said Alannah Hurley, executive director of the group.
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